Brian, You have to get your facts staright...

"A pyramid scheme (also known as "Pyramid Scam" [1]) is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, usually without any product or service being delivered."

Last time I checked I was selling the resale rights to other entrepenuers for them to sell hundreds of useful sortware programs to assist them with their online marketing businesses.

You make no mention of the usefulness of these products. Sounds to me like you signed up, paid to become a reseller for $997 and couldn't hack the marketing aspect.

We know these kind of people exists and not everyone can be successful. If your willing to give it another try I'd be happy to show you exactly home to become succesful with this buisness so you could make others successful at the same time. If you spent as much time marketing online as you do bashing the success of an reputable, legitimate and "LEGAL" 2 UP Program then I bet you'd retract your remarks.

I'm here to help!

Well, being a member to another bis opp similar to EDC is a big NO NO. Craig has made that clear to all members. Even though they have somewhat different digital products to EDC, the business plan is basically the same. This is what got Chris Campbell (top earner in edc) kicked out of EDC. Myself, when two business are so similar to each other and a member belongs to both of them and tries to convince me that is multiple income streams I have to disagree, that is not what I call multiple income streams because it is the same business. If I'm a member of edc and a member of Herbal Life and yes I consider that MS of income. Tim Rohrer, my sponsor, kicked out after joining PWF and P2W. And I have to agree with Craig and Mike. If you are a true believer of one program you don't have to jump over to another similar program to make extra cash, the effort that you are going to put in on that new program just put it in your present program and probably you will get the same results.

And sometimes people are so defensive, they don't actually read what was said.

As I stated in my comments, I was referring to the actual owners. The actual owners, ie the 'company' as you refer to, do significantly rely on more members joining to maintain their income levels.

It is something that is quite obvious and if you think their income is not significantly related to their membership growth, I must say... in my opinion... it is fairly naive. If it wasn't, their website would focus far more on the product from the first moment rather than how great the scheme is and how it can make everyone money.

Enough said by me I think... can't believe this thread is as long as it is. Some good points in it, some things that don't make sense... and some things just plain old...

To each their own. I was looking into the program because of it's product (not necessarily for the income opportunity). It's an industry that I'm quite fond of, but hadn't yet found anything that I found worth purchasing until Roadmap to Riches came along.

What you and I consider multiple streams of income is just a different concept. Doesn't mean that you're wrong, or that's I'm wrong. Anything that allows you to bring in extra income is an additional stream of income, in my opinion. And no, it's not the same business. The other program offers products in a completely different industry. I became interested when I saw that there are products that could help with my EDC business.

The things I don't understand about the sudden ultimatum that our owner has laid down, is that I can be a member of more than one opportunity, and still be loyal. In fact, I've been more loyal to this business than most. That is apparent just from this thread alone. I am not your typical program-hopper. I have been with EDC, and only EDC, since I joined back in Feb. I have not bothered with exploring any other businesses that came out, until this one. Just because I'm interested in a business that carries a totally different line of products, doesn't mean I wouldn't continue to be loyal to EDC. I think what Craig is doing is grouping us all in the same category as Chris Campbell, who jumped into each new program that launched, and proceeded to bash EDC to gain members in each of those programs, even though he was still in EDC at the time. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not that kind of person.

Here is my feeling, and it's probably the last I'll speak on this situation in any forum. I understand Craig's need to regulate now that there's a new business out. However, I don't think our owners are looking into regulating the right things right now. It would be nice if they'd do more to regulate the rogue distributors that take the money from new members and run, or promise all the hype in their ads and on their site, and then don't deliver, or don't even mentor the members. Things like that are hurting the business way more than a new company that's not even a direct competitor. Still, it's their business, so they'll do what they see fit. However, I think they're making a big mistake. Just my 2 cents.

And I have to disagree with your statement that if I just took my extra effort and just focused it on EDC, I'd get the same results. If the products were exactly the same, perhaps. But because it's a different industry, a person would actually be reaching out to a whole new market, and a completely different market than those that would be interested in marketing training. The problem is that, as I've said many times, there are too many distributors who only focus on the income opportunity. If you go that route, then every other income opportunity would be considered a competitor. But if more distributors focused on what they should be focusing on, which is mentoring and promoting the industry (not the income opportunity), they'd probably find that there is little other solid competition out here!

As I said, to each their own. I stand by my thoughts that diversification is important in the home based business industry. And honestly, it's up to each individual what they consider to be diversity in their business portfolio. Personally, I don't care for HYIP's, and I don't consider them streams of income because they aren't consistent. However, there are many that would greatly disagree with that. As long as something is different and providing variety, it's diversification. To me, have the same or similar business model has little to nothing to do with it, and definitely doesn't make something a direct competitor. After all, there are a ton of retail stores in this country, and they all use the same POS system to process sales, and the same method to pay their employees. Doesn't make them direct competitors unless exact same products at the exact same prices are being sold. Bed Bath & Beyond and Linens-n-Things? Direct competitors. Bed Bath & Beyond and BabiesRUS? Not direct competitors.....

I like to help people. That's part of the reason I joined with EDC. Internet marketing is a booming, and I've noticed a lot of newcomers looking to get started. No one really takes too much time for newcomers, as they tend to need more training and support than someone who's familiar with online business. So I try to really gear my training toward those newcomers so that they don't get lost in the fog. On the other side of that though, many internet marketers, especially those who've not had success with other businesses, approach their businesses with a very negative, skeptical or nonchalant attitude. As a result, their businesses don't thrive as they want them to. The products provided by this new opportunity can help internet marketers in the personal development area, making them better mentors and distributors, and in turn bringing in more income for the companies that they distribute for. Two companies where I could help people on several different levels would be an excellent fit for me, but such is life, that we can't always have what we want.

-PA27

DavidT, thanks for clearing that up. I apologize for being defensive. I just misunderstood your remark.

In truth, the owners do rely on new members for their income. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to satisfy them. I am, surprisingly, not as naive as my comments may sometimes sound. I'm well aware of what kind of people run our company, and what kind of practices they approve of and involve themselves in.

EDC is going through a big change right now, so I want to state my stance before it all comes out. My devotion is not to the owners or their company, but to my business that I run through EDC. Regardless of what happens, or what others say, I still believe in the products and what I'm doing for my members. And I'll continue to run my business until I can't anymore, or until my job as a mentor here is done and I move on.

The discussion here has been enlightening, and it's nice to know that we can all continue with it despite the fact that we all have different views on this program.

-PA27

Hi there, I agree 100%, you should'nt jump programs. Specifically jumping into another program that directly competes with the one you are in. If you are passionate about your program, I guarantee that you will not need to jump into another program, you'll be making plenty of money.

It's true, multiple streams of income is the real way to wealth, but have some loyalty, please. There are plenty of other ways to make multiple streams of income. It's best to diversify. If you're making a lot of money, look into a business you can invest in that is more passive. You have to focus on building that get out of the rat race income.

Chris, I think you may have made a mistake. But it's okay as long as we learn from them, that's the only thing that really matters.

Remember, there is no such thing as failure, It's just feedback.

D. Victor.

If you joined because of the product and not for opp, then the product must be really new and different from anything available at amazon.com. I mean there are litterally thousands of books you can get on that subject matter, it is a very popular subject, and I'm not even counting people like Tony Robbins.

Don't forget we have Promoblackbox... I've had some good success selling it.

Actually, I became interested in the program because of some particular products in the package that can help me and my team in my EDC business. I haven't seen these products anywhere else. I'm not saying they are only offered through RTR, but I just haven't found them elsewhere.

The point of these opps is to provide something people can use, while giving them the opportunity to earn an income from it as well. So if I joined, it would be for both the products and income opp, not just one or the other. And that wouldn't make me disloyal to one business or the other, especially if I found a way to make both work hand-in-hand that would bring in more business for each.

If I'm going to be involved in any business opportunity, I'd rather it be something where the products I'm promoting can be helpful to those who purchase them. It doesn't matter whether the products (or similar products) are offered elsewhere or not. If someone wants to learn how to market from experts, have access to a library full of market software and tools and be able to earn an income from home, then EDC is a great opportunity for them. Likewise, if someone wants to have access to a library full of self development materials, connect with others like them who are interested and helping others in the personal development field, and earn an income at the same time, then RTR would be a good opportunity for them. The true entrepreneur joins the program for the total package.

-PA27