Well, I think you said it all LightHammer.

With all due respect, I think it's safe to say you don't really know anybody who has joined EDC, and actually taken honest direction from someone making money with EDC. When I joined, I had concerns about what would happen, once I paid my money.

What I found has been surprising to me. During one of the online training conferences, I remarked in the text chat, that I would like to chat with someone, and get clarification, and maybe some pointers on some marketing ideas, and would anybody be willing to let me pick their brains, and ask them some questions.

IMMEDIATELY..... there were about 10 people who fired their contact info to me, and told me not to hesitate contacting them, as well as the gentleman (and he really IS a gentleman) who was conducting the training call.

A couple of days later, I called the guy running the training (a high earner in EDC Gold), and just introduced myself to him, and asked him if it really was okay to call him for support. "ABSOLUTELY Dave ...... call me anytime you want to, or if you need help, or don't know the answer to a question. I'm here to help." A genuine super nice guy, this guy (Mike Klatt). And, I'm NOT even in his organization, and he makes ZERO dollars off of any business I do.

I got off my call with him, and was flabbergasted. I think my mouth was dropped open. WOW.

There are a bunch of folks, just like that, in this organization, and they go out of their way to help new folks learn how to make their business successful.

Brian, hats off to you, for calling the owners, Craig and Mike (not Mark). They are straight up guys, and bend over backwards to make EDC grow, on a regular basis.

In May of this year (2007), folks will be seeing a new retail product released, PromoBlackBox, with a training and support structure, unlike anything else out there.

It is designed to provide everything a small to medium size business needs, to launch a quality website, and even more importantly, drive their desired customer traffic to their new site, and maximize the tools and technology of e-commerce to provide their product, and maintain quality ongoing communication with their customer base, using existing un/under-utilized information.

For existing companies, this will be like someone delivering cash to their business.

90% of the companies in the "small to medium" size, do NOT have a website, and the majority of them, "know they should". This product is designed, inside and out, to solve this problem.

Exciting stuff.

regards to all

Dave

Dasman12, all you're telling us that is those behind EDC Gold are very active in encouraging their sales teams - it does nothing to validate the product itself.

Yeah... if I charged people $997 for signing up, I would be "encouraging my sales teams" too! - YOU BETCHA! - better that than copping a bomb through my loungeroom window....
Of course, Mr Dubbs won't have to worry about that - he would be too busy driving around in his new sports car that was bought with other peoples hard-earned money....

I did my research for months and joined Perfect Wealth Formula.... why not EDCgold? EDCgold is cut throat and has unethical owners, team leaders and affiliates... I got an email today offering me to join for $100! why PWF? ethical owner, team leaders, and once I got into the training, I actually learned something! amazing! I am a serious experienced online marketer. No Joke. I help multi-million dollar companies with web development and SEO, so I thought I knew everything about online marketing... what I learned in the admin of PWF is exactly how to target people in this market and am getting 2 email leads an hour... for me the most important part of the purchase is the unique marketing training... the actual products are good too, not rehashed ebooks, but unique products written by a real 7 figure earner who writes about tons of ways to make money and get more traffic online than I ever imagined.

I don't get why all these broke people who like to market cheap products and make cheap commissions, call this type of thing a scam... if I paid $7 to join would it be a scam? but because I paid $597 it is?

I like high ticket items because for the same amount of work I can make $400 rather than $7.

if you want PM me for my website and to start on my team

unlike mlm or 1ups and 2ups, no sales passed and I don't need a downline of thousands of dollars to make real money...

yeah right.... again, not ONE mention of how this system is supposed to help people - just more blurb on how much money you can make if you join...

I make $$$$$THOUSANDS$$$$$ of dollars per day with NO website, NO downline, NO leads, NO sales and NO customers - just by avoiding every single one of these scams that comes up

AND the day *I* sign up will be the day that ONE of these outfits sends ME some money for a change.... if their schemes are THAT good, then why can't they do that ?

If it isn't free, it isn't even worth looking at....

Well, I have to say that having been a top income earner and trainer in the direct sales industry, I can say with certainty that EDC Gold is 1 step away from a pyramid.

And watch out for their top earner. He is (on this very forms via Adsense) advertising to join him and competiting against his own system.

This kind of program is the exact kind of deviousness that causes problems in our industry.

First, you have to know something about this industry. There are a lot of sharks who can make money by promising the moon and simply not delivering.

Second, NEVER join a program where the product has no value. When I first saw EDC Gold, I was shocked to know that I ALREADY HAD every single product that they offered -- and this is all stuff that either sells other products OR was contracted out on Elance.com from some writer to create quickly.

But #1 - Never go for a company without a product. You're just in a money game and ripping poeople off if that's what you do.

#2 - Be very careful that whomever you work with has a REAL system and not just a sales pitch that says they do. I've gone out of my way personally to create added-value benefits for my whole team.

We even contracted out the top video guy in industry to create a video for our team.

It's a shame that people get ripped off by schemes like this, and it hurts the whole industry.

Cheers,
Andrew
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The bottom line is you have to look to see if any

I think what it comes down to is that people considering a home business need to understand the different types of business out there and make decisions accordingly. I'm not in PWF, but I understand the high ticket programs and most are 1 or 2-up programs. A person needs to put in the effort to fully understand these programs in terms of how they are set up, what you get and what you will have to do to be successful.

The ONLY thing I'm against is people who are slick sales people who lure people in and get people to join something knowing full well they won't succeed and just keep going to the next. You find that alot- BUT not programs like PWF, EDC and so forth.

A program like this requires money up front. If you are stretched thin, then don't join. the product is software or something you have rights to resell. Everyone knows that is not the goal of the people who join, but it does make it legitamate weather you like it or not. You need to understand how powerful a 1-up or 2-up can be. If you think giving up sales is negative, then don't join. If you do not know how to market, don't want to learn how to market or don't have a budget to market....then don't join.

All business' require you to do something. You have to work, you have to learn and you have to spend something to be successful. There are tradeoffs, but none of these things can be eliminated. Getting something for nothing is the lottery, not a home business.

I'm always surprised to see conversations on these high ticket programs. I think they are good for the right people. Nobody just signs someone up unwilling. If you have not done your homework to understand the program, then you should not join.

It's the people getting in then complaining about how they were taken or how they lost money that ruin it for others. Since these programs cost more, it seems like more people want to jump on the "scam" bandwagon. It's too bad.

There are many good things out there. Take your time, look into things and find something that is a good fit for you that meets your needs.

I struggle a bit with folks who take action like this and are not even in the program. This makes no sense to me. All it does is stir up trouble. If you don't believe in this type of program, then simply don't join and don't tell others about it.
Sorry,

If there's a danger of people being asked to invest a lot of cash in something that could be nothing more than a self-serving pyramid scheme, or similar disreputable business, then I certainly wouldn't stand back and just let people lose their shirts without doing anything - certainly not on a financial forum like TFF.

Is EDC Gold such a scheme? Well, that's for the FTC to rule on, not me.

Dear Brian,

You really should know what you are talking about before printing lies about my company, EDC Gold. First of all, our products are the most important reason for joining EDC Gold. All our products are geared to help anyone with a website drive more traffic to it or improve on their existing website. We add more and more product all the time. Our most recent addition is product bundle we call Promo Black Box. It is specifically designed to drive more traffic to any website. Our Primary customers are small to medium sized businesses. If you wish to become a distributor and sell Promo Black Box, you must join EDC Gold at any level: $69.95/mo for Your New Fortune, $297 & $29.95/mo doe Easy Daily Cash or $997.00 and $49.95/mo for EDC Gold. This gives you three different bundles of software to resell and all of them include Promo Black Box, which is our latest product that we have developed. It sells for $495.00 and our distributors keep 100% of the profits, just like they do with the three levels of EDC.

Secondly, we, the owners, make ourselves available to help you sell your products, teach you, train you and mentor you every step of the way. We'll even take inbound calls from your potential customers. We have 5 training classes a week to help our distributors get educated and trained. Our top producer has even developed a training site for members using his marketing site that shows step by step VIDEO instructions on what he does to earn a 6 figure MONTHLY income. Now Brian, does this sound like any bad? I think not!!! That is why you see our ads everywhere. It works and many of our members are making 5 figure monthly incomes.

So Please Brain, Do your homework before bad mouthing something you know nothing about.


Craig Garcia
Co-Founder
EDC Gold

Thanks for the reply, Craig, but you should be perfectly aware I haven't made any actual lies about your company.

And you've also made no attempt to communicate that your product has any value, and instead avoid the issue by talking about a different product (Promo Black Box).

Instead, just like your members, you simply push the fact that it's a "wealth creation" program.

You also state that EDC Gold members keep 100% of the cash they make - well, that's not what I've been reading. Check out the forums - first two sales goes to the "mentor". No one wonder so many "mentors" are trying to recruit for the program if they get to grab the first few grand in earnings from everyone they join to the scheme.

Read the internet discussions about EDC Gold - check out the sites on Google - no one is saying that the EDC Gold product is a value product - all anyone talks about is how they're trying to get rich quick with it.

I've seen heavily marketed schemes come and go because they were all marketing and no value. Address that concern and we have a conversation.

Otherwise you may as well be bagging dog poop and reselling it for $997. Read all the discussions about EDC Gold online with that in mind and see if you can determine any distinction.

2c.

I will be selling dog poop at $900 a bag, that's $97 in savings straight to your pocket! If you want you can sign up as a registered poop representative, your first two sales go to me and the rest are yours. YOU KEEP 100%

What do you say Brian?

So long as your business is founded on the resell rights only, I'm sure it would go down well. Call it something like "Easy Wealth From Brown Gold" or something.

You could be sitting or stepping in millions!!