You're absolutely right - that was a low comment on my part.

I see a lot of people claiming business titles that they are probably least qualified to claim, but that doesn't give myself the right to make comments on individuals without clearly justified cause. For that you have my personal apologies.

My initial cynicism regarding EDC Gold has resulted in a swaggering arrogance I need to reign in, so that the conversation can be more productive.

lealdragon - thanks for your comments - and indeed, there are perfectly legitimate MLM schemes out there (Tupperware is usually suggested as an example). I do see an awful lot of obvious scams posted on messageboards, and my comments were directed to these.

Back to the thread:

There are plenty of business opportunities out there - I've tried to give some advice on that here:
Seeking a solid scam free/completely LEGITIMATE way to make lots of $$$ on the NET

Quite right - as above, I see a lot of crud posted online, both in my own communities, plus various others I visit. There's a big market in pyramid and ponzi schemes, and plenty enough people chasing rainbows to buy into them. Seeing EDC Gold in such discussion environments doesn't help project a positive image outset of that mindset, though to be fair, that's not the fault of the product.


I'm genuinely sorry about that - you haven't been singled out by any means - there's a couple of anti-spam scripts that specifically flag posts by members with less than 10 posts on the basis of links, email addresses, and a number of common spam keywords. Unfortunately, they do generate sometimes produce false positives, so I've green-flagged your original post which did not show.

Anyway...PA 27, you've conducted yourself very eloquently and great civility, even in the face of potential adversity. For that you have my thanks. But you do keep making the point that my impressions of EDC Gold are misinformed and that there is value in the products offered, if only I'd learn.

Okay then - if you're prepared to show me the products and ropes involved in the process, then I'll be happy to report back.

Either I'll simply entrench my position already covered in this thread, or else I'll eat my hat and start a new dialogue about the benefits of EDC Gold.

If you'd like to prove me wrong, here's your chance. Feel free to PM me with more information.

Hi Brian,

Thank you for the apology. You know, I probably have this knack for trying to prove that I'm right in every situation (I'm sure my fiancee would agree with that statement, lol), which means I don't back down easily. That could be what is helping me to succeed with this business, but I see that it could also be a hindrance. I also apologize if I seem like an insufferable know-it-all!

Now, as for your offer, I'll be glad to answer any questions or show you some of the products that we offer, including the newest one. I'll even be glad to take some screen shots of my back office so you can see just how much we offer.

I do want to point something out that made my day a few days ago. I signed up a new member, and the first thing I asked him to do was look around the back office, and delve into the software so that he could get a feel for what he spent his money on, and what he'd be selling to others. In our next training session when I asked him about his feelings on the software, he stated that he didn't realize what a huge selection we're given. He said that he has seen some of the titles being sold in other places for cheap individual prices, but to buy each one individually would run you at least $1000 or more. Also, he noted that many of the things we offer are being sold individually or in small packages for upwards of $97, sometimes more.

It felt good to talk to someone and base the conversation completely on the products offered. Not to mention, he was a fresh customer, not someone who's been a member for a while and desperate to make money. If he had any reservations about his purchase, they would have shown initially, I feel. I do admit that it is hurting EDC as a company when they (and those distributors they train) are marketing only from the standpoint of the income opportunity. This may very well be their downfall, which is sad. But I think they may do that to keep a competitive edge over the copycat companies that have popped up. I have been, and will continue to take my team on a different course, with us promoting the products first and the income opportunity just like any other affiliate program (just a high-paying one).

I'm not even a member of, nor do I promote, the highest membership level of $997. Why? Well, it's a personal thing, but I feel like too many other distributors who are only about the money are pushing that level, and so that is all that most seem to know about EDC (people are actually surprised when I mention that there are other less expensive memberships available). In trying to educate about EDC, I'm focusing on the less-mentioned (but more affordable) memberships. As I'm a business woman, I feel that it is partially a marketing ploy on my part (focus on the less known, bring it to light, get people who would otherwise not have purchased interested, corner the market and potentially earn more than those promoting the highest level). However, I'm the kind of person who likes helping people. Promoting that level and only that level isn't fair to those who may want to become better at marketing online, but can't afford the $997. I wasn't a rich person when I joined (my sponsor encouraged me to sign up for the then $15 membership so I could get a taste of the program). But I saw the value in what was being offered, and thought that though $297 is a lot, it was affordable for my situation and if I could get all the product and training they offered, it would be well worth the money spent. I'm glad to say that I made a good decision for myself.

So if you have questions, feel free to post them here so that all can see the answers. You should receive a PM from me shortly directing you to my website. Then you can see exactly what I put my focus on, learn about the products and learn exactly how I operate my business. If I have to show you something dealing with images or links, I'll just PM you. And after all this if you still feel that the products aren't worth the money, then that is your opinion and I'll continue to respect it. But thank you at least for giving me the opportunity to show EDC in its best light. I can truly respect the professionalism in that!

- PA27

PA27, couldn't you post a link to your website here? This seems to be a big draw for EDC research now, might as well give everyone the full picture.

Mark A,

This forum doesn't allow the posting of links, images or email addresses. Posts containing these never make it to the thread. If not for this, I would have posted my website's link earlier.

If you're interested in viewing my website and learning more about EDC, just visit my profile here on the forum. My website, as well as my email address, is listed on my profile. Once you arrive at my website, visit the page "The New Age of Marketing." If you'd like to learn more about our newest product, visit the page "For Businesses." Or if you'd rather, PM me with your questions or post them here, and I will continue to answer them as I've been doing.

-PA27

Bravo Brian...Bravo!!! You're a classy guy! More forum Admins should be so kool I'm very anxious to read the results of this very interesting debate!

Hello Raydagr8 and everyone else,

I know some are waiting on the results of the little debate that Brian and I have going, so here's an update. I've just sent a PM to Brian with some more interesting info about EDC, and some screenshots of the back office, so that he can see for himself what I got when I purchased, and what other customers will be getting as well. I've also sent him the link to my website, which contains much more information about the products (and contains a huge product list with short descriptions). I'm waiting to hear back from him in regards to his thoughts and feelings on the value purchasing from EDC. I'm also waiting to hear his thoughts on my marketing approach vs. the hyped-up ads and websites I know you've all seen. As soon as I hear back from him, and with his permission, I'll be glad to share his findings (or he'll probably just do it himself. He has let me know that he is busy a present, so it may be a few days).

In the meantime, you can visit my website on your own if you'd like. The link is posted on my profile (just click on my name and select "view profile"). Also, if you'd like to see the same screenshots that I've sent to Brian (so that you can form your own opinions on the value or lack of value that EDC gives), just post here and I'll sent them to you in a PM.

-PA27

Also Raydagr8,

I don't know if you saw this in Brian's earlier post:

He did end up posting the original response I was trying to give you in regards to your question about marketing EDC. Now the others can view the answer as well. I believe it's on page 6.

-PA27

Hey PA27, I checked out your website yesterday you're right, it's not a bunch of hype. Please do send me the screenshots, thanks. BTW I listened in on an EDC online training session yesterday, it was very interesting. Michael, Craig and all of the speakers there seem to be pretty nice guys. I'm going to keep learning more about EDC before I decide one way or the other. Money is definitely an issue that I can't afford to take lightly these days.

Thanks for everything

raydagr8

No problem! Be on the lookout for a PM from me. Also, I'm glad you had the chance to listen in on a call. I've invited Brian to do the same, and I hope he takes the opportunity.

As I've said before, you should definitely do enough research to feel confident about your decision. And I understand about money. There aren't too many other programs that I'd consider joining these days, unless they really were good opportunities. For now, I'm just sticking with EDC, as it's doing the job for me.

If you have any other questions, feel free to post them!

-PA27

Gee...what did I start by raising this question! Talk about lighting fires under peoples’ backsides LOL..love the passion..and very educational too! I have always believed that PERCEPTION is the basis of all conflict. That is what I see in all of these answers. Think about it. Perception has everything to do with where each of us are with respect to consciousness. Experience defines that. Now if we can solve the riddle of PERCEPTION, maybe there would be world peace (by us accepting and living with our differences). Above all, it would help us to accept where we are by the implementation of our choices. But maybe we are not supposed solve what perception is or it would have been done by now! Or worse, we’d all be walking around living a Stepford wives existence...BORING and very “unhuman” I might add! We are born alone, we journey alone (when I say this, I mean we have to experience the effects and intensities of our choices without any dilution - even though others may experience the secondary effects) and we die alone. Yet we are all connected by the very choices, impressions, and experiences that we choose and share. In brief, thank you all for such passionate responses, no matter what experience and/or stance that you have taken. Passion is spirit..so thank you for the spirited responses. Life is all about learning, growing, and choosing isn’t it?
Peace.

This is so true LightHammer...Not sure if I can post a link but to all who want an education on what has happened to the dollar..any dollar..but this is just an example of how they are trying to turn the currencies of Mexico, Canada and the US into the AMERO..and I am not surprised that the CDN and USD $ is almost on par...is there a plan afoot? You bet there is! Check this out..on when the $ changed.

http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials...rby062806.html

To what you've said, 4silverstrea, I completely agree. Life is all about living and experiencing. I don't necessarily care for everyone to have the same perceptions of the things as I do. If that were the case, I'd never grow and learn from others.

And to what LightHammer said earlier, I agree also. People are working harder and getting less from it. Even older people can't retire when they want to. And why? I personally feel like it has a lot to do with big business and corporate America. Our government is feeding money into corporate businesses and any and everything it can find to contribute to outside of the country, while neglecting to take care of who's here at home. Let's face it, if you're not a large corporation or you're not already rich, the government doesn't worry about you one way or another (unless you owe them money). So where does that leave us working men and women? Not a very good place.

That is why I've been encouraging others to take some kind of action in their own lives. Even if a person doesn't purchase for me or join my business, I encourage them to find something they enjoy, or something they see a need for, and capitalize on it. You're always safer being your own boss than working for someone else. And you get to do more of what 4silverstrea was talking about, which is live and experience.

People are so stressed from work and lack of personal and family time that they seldom ever let their creativity through to the surface anymore. It's such a mind-blowing experience to most people when others start to operate outside the box, that they shut themselves up inside their little bubbles even more. There is one thing that I want to stress. It really doesn't matter how loyal you've been to a company or institution, how much time you've put in, how good of an employee you are, how many sales and clients you've closed....that company will get rid of you, cut your pay, take your vacation time away, or cut your hours without a second thought if it suits their needs. The needs of the business come first, that's all I ever heard while I was in the workforce. We've been taught all our lives to work, and everything we go through during our childhood and teenage years is in preparation for a life of work. But the times are changing rapidly, and now it's more important, imo, to do what's best for your family (especially with children becoming so misguided). That means being around to be good parents and good role models instead of being married to a job.

I encourage everyone to see past the stress or your working lives just a bit, and let the creativity out. You'd be surprised what you can come up with or pull off to change your situation if you only give yourselves the chance. I am not a selfish person. If money weren't such a necessity in this day and age, I wouldn't care too much for it (I was always a fan of the barter system we learned about way back in school). I only want others to be able to experience what I have now, and what my fiancee and I are working toward: freedom in our lives to do as we want when we want, and without having to ask permission or answer to anyone. The only people you should ever have to answer to are your family and your God (whoever it may be). Not all of these others out here. They are no different than you, no more or less special, and as they have nothing to do with your personal life, shouldn't have a right to dictate how and when you live.

Sorry, I know I went off on a tangent. I just know of so many people who sit back and complain or worry about their lives instead of formulating a plan and taking action to change things. And I don't mean simply working for a promotion (more pay at a job only means more responsibility and longer hours in my experience). Those same people scoff at any unconventional ideas that others suggest to them, content to "play it safe" instead of learning something new that could dramatically alter their lives. I feel this way about most people and working from home. When I suggest it to family and friends, they laughed and made jokes, they told me to get my head out of the clouds, that I was going to be a victim of all the scams out here because I'm gullible, they said that my marriage would be doomed before it even began if I kept thinking like that. But the truth is, once they started to see my lifestyle changing, they became more interested. Now it's not such a stupid idea.

Again, I challenge you to think outside the box. Whether it's EDC, your own business, patenting an invention or whatever, find works for you, and then DO it! You're only a slave to the working world if you allow yourself to be.

-PA27

Well said PowerAdvisor! You and I think alike...this is precisely WHY I started this thread. Now, why is this such a hot topic? It’s for the specific reasons that you mention in this post. I left the corporate world back in the 90’s and no matter what I did, I couldn’t get back in! I found it extremely odd and then realized that maybe my soul needed an OUTSIDE OF THE BOX learning experience. I was fed up as a graphic designer, having people hold me back and then never advancing to the next level..everything from not being taught programs, to being bypassed for a job in favor of the mail guy just because I wasn’t in the union yet! Can you believe it..here I was with 9 years of education and the mail guy gets the graphic design job I applied for! That’s when I said...I’m done! As soon as I said that, there was a budget cut and guess who got dumped..the most qualified person for the job! Freelancing might be scary to some, and I have had to go lean on many occasions, but let me tell you, what I have learned has been well worth it. My congrats to you PowerA...for your guts and your faith. Maybe that’s it..people are just too afraid to exercise their faith...to lead by spirit takes a lot of faith in THE INTANGIBLES...to trust that you will be directed to the right people, places and situations. If we led our lives like this, who needs government and corporate bullies to feed off of us?

One of the things we as human beings haven’t come to terms with..(because it has been stiffled, stomped on, repressed, made fun of, or punished) is that we are creative beings with the ability to solve our own problems, create our own destinies, live independently of the corporate hogs. Incidentally, they will soon learn, what goes around comes around. By NOT taking care of people, the people will not let them live like the selfish beings they are. What will they do when the generation now in power retires? Now, there are a lot of corporations who do good things...I am referring to those who are ruthless to other human beings. Who do you think put them in their position? We did ..why? Because we fell for the party line!

It will be REALLY interesting to see what the Indigo kids do when they get into power. The Indigo kids for those who don’t know what I am talking about, are those who are between the ages of 12 - 30. They are the ones who corporations fear the most because they don’t live by the party line. They show up when they want, quit their jobs on breaks, leave when they feel injustices have been imposed upon them...etc. They are considered the “fiery” ones who only have loyalty to the cause of cleaning up the indulgent baby boomers (and prior generations) messes! They are the kids who starved, who were forced to fight and work harder to get somewhere..and who were left alone when their parents were working their 2-3 jobs just to make ends meet. A very independent brood. Do you think that they will be forced to live in a mold? NO WAY! They were the ones who were forced to live outside the box from day one. They are also the ones who the corporations now cater to..give them what they want because they know that they can’t control them. This is what I mean..what goes around comes around. When money is everything to them, they will have to buckle to get these kids to even show some sort of loyalty to them. All I can say is, it will be a very interesting scenario when these kids go head to head with the corporate powers..once the boomers have left the power structure.

One observation about the boomers, they are the most indulgent generation out there. I was born at the tail end of the boomers...I witnessed a lot. They got all the jobs, my generation got the crumbs...and generations after that got even less..they had to survive on kraft dinner to get through university. Do I sound a bit jaded? A tad. My heart goes out to all of the students who today have to fight tooth and nail to get 100% on exams because it is “required” to get anywhere in life..or to get a degree for that matter. What does it mean? Standardization is one way to snuff out our God given birthright..the ability to create our own destinies without these ridiculous standards imposed upon us. They just want the cream of the crop..that is the ONLY reason why marks are so important to educational institutions. When they get out into the world and work for the corporations, and a lot of young people I know are finding this out, they will see the sham of the education system..and how it is so tied in to big business. Big business have taken over the universities. Big business shuts down talented researchers, through overt or covert means to save the status quo (big pharma for example)...I could go on and on.

One day soon, it will all change. I feel that it will be an ecological disaster that will bring us all to our senses. Then and only then, will we bough down and serve the creativity within us and in each other to SHARE what each of us knows in HARMONY...not for money, but for our very survival.