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Power_Advisor27 · #76 (**permalink**) 05-19-2007, 08:01 PM

Well said!!!! That is the very reason I am for entrepreneurship and small business. I miss the mom & pop stores of old where people actually cared about their employees and their customers. And I miss the times when you could travel to various cities in this country and find a wealth of heritage, history and culture. Places where there was always something new and different to see.

Now, even very small towns are getting on the corporate bandwagon, by either welcoming or having to tolerate mills, factories and large corporate facilities being built. Don't get me wrong, the corporate world does help in some cases. Such large facilities provide hundreds, if not thousands of jobs for locals, and bring about a slightly better economy than was there before. However, major corporations shoot themselves in the feet by no maintaining a certain friendly nature with small businesses around them, and by treating those who would otherwise be great employees with less a less than acceptable amount of respect.

Corporations make it very hard for owning a small business to be rewarding or profitable anymore. I think that is why the home based business industry is booming right now. It's harder than ever to establish a brick & mortar business, but it's fairly easy to start working from home.

I doubt if I'll ever go back to the workforce again. Not after the things I've seen and experienced. And I'll be getting my fiancee out of there as soon as possible. There is life to be lived, it's here for the taking. But you've got to put aside your fears and all the things that would hold you back, and go for what you want. There is a certain amount of risk to everything. I'd rather take a risk on being able to write my own destiny and rule my own life!

-PA27

4silverstrea · #77 (**permalink**) 05-19-2007, 11:45 PM

Here’s a thought PA27...this very argument between EDC gold members and those who consider it a scam, is really at the root of “am I going to be respected/do I really deserve to live with this much abundance” kind of argument. None of us wants to be cheated out of anything and concurrently, it’s against the grain of our “conditioning” to believe that yes, we can live independently, happy and have abundance all at the same time. So the EDC controversy has everything to do with the corporate/indendent wealthy argument. (ie. will this company take us for a ride like major corporations have but on a smaller scale and gee, gosh, what do you mean I can have all this money by not working like a slave that was ingrained in me.) Do you see the conflict? It has nothing really to do with network marketing, EDC gold, members or non-members but this statement uttered by one of the greatest French philosophers to ever walk the planet, Albert Camus.

Integrity has no need of rules.

4silverstrea · #78 (**permalink**) 05-20-2007, 12:05 AM

As a side note, I had the television turned on still after the news and saw this documentary (talk about synchronicity!) about students in Canada who started this organization called Students for Peace. These students saw another documentary at their school on the Serbian children and how they survived war. This moved the Canadian students so much that they decided they wanted to meet the children of the school who participated in this documentary. So, a Canadian filmmaker documented them going over there to meet the Serbian children. The money wasn’t handed to them..they had garage sales, sold stuff, had events etc. to raise the money. The documentary about their trip to Serbia encouraged the concept “how it is necessary that we accept where we all are”. One of the comments from the filmmaker said “Peace is not about nations, government or politics..it’s about relationships.” At the end, they showed the Canadian kids going home. At the airport, one kid went to greet his mom and took off his hat. He had shaved his head and left some short hairs in the sign of the peace symbol. His mother’s response..“What did you do!” She laughed of course. In the documentary when they introduced this young man, another teenager introduced him as..“Here he is..the man who thinks with his head and acts with his heart..” then he revealed the peace symbol. Result of this trip...Students for Peace now has Chapters all over the world in many different countries!

Peace is about relationships...understanding our differences and letting us experience them...as one Serbian teenager put it...“Ignorance is dangerous.” Understanding remedies that...we can agree to disagree. That doesn’t mean we can’t live in harmony and learn from each other. Hmmm..how synchronistic! There is an order to the universe. Whatayaknow. :-)

LightHammer · #79 (**permalink**) 05-21-2007, 09:17 AM

Data is not information
Information is not knowledge
Knowledge is not wisdom
Wisdom is not truth
Truth is not kindness
and Kindness is not Love

Whilst it is true to say that we all create our worlds around us and that where we are at any time is dependent on the decisions we make, this should not make us lose sight of the fact that we may be pooing in our own backyards.
We try to set up 'systems' such as government and money and law etc hoping that once a few rules are established, everything will flow on automatically and trouble-freely from there. No sooner we put some politicians in place, they find ways and means to suck energy from the system and leave the people in a more difficult situation than when they started. Oscar Wilde said "Society is far less brutalized by the occasional outbeak of violence than it is by the implementation of law systems to eradicate it."
The same phenomenon is ocurring worldwide now. Here in Australia, the red-tape and beaurocratic jungle is so dense that recently, a young boy was not permitted by law to be forced to remove his graffiti because the "Health Occupation and Safety Practices" act said he might face possible health dangers from the materials used to clean off the graffiti.
Were I in charge, I would first take his friggin skateboard and burn it, give him a GOOD swift kick up the arse, make him clean up ALL the graffiti in the local area and do chores for the local pensioners for the next six months.
After that, I would make him take a course to learn how to do GOOD tasteful graffiti. That way, he would learn his lesson and become a useful member of society.
Likewise, we have no swings or slippery slides in our parks anymore for the kids because some lowlife decided to sue the local council because of some one-in-a million freak accident so the government in its wisdom now banned all such facilities.
Were I in charge, I would have simply seen to it that the parent was reprimanded for not taking care of his child properly. Fancy removing all the toys because of one idiot - what sort of stupidity is that ?
We are slowly creating a hell for ourselves.
Pensioners die in their houses - unvisited by even their neighbours and the only time people know they have died is when the stench of the dead bodies becomes strong enough to alert somebody.
This is all very sad stuff.
I am nearly 50 years old, have a WEALTH of experience in MANY different areas and I am finding it exceedingly difficult to survive. When I look at the situation faced by younger people with little or no experience, my heart goes out to them. What the hell are we doing to one another ?
I am sorry, I can agree with ALL the positive thinking stuff in the world (because I have practiced it all my life) but we are getting to a point where
the NECESSITY to HAVE to excel is becoming excessive. What is the point of working harder and harder just so that things become even MORE difficult ?

For what it is worth, I propose that those interested should put their heads together in a think-tank to come up with something to stem the satanic slide into hell that the large corporations, governments and money-mongers are creating for us.
I await the input of those who care...and to show you that I am NOT a pessimist, I will say that I believe INDEED, nothing is impossible, unless of course, no-one does anything.
Yikes! - that just gave me a shiver! - the WORST scenario is that NOTHING continues to happen.... imagine where we will be in 5 years time ....
God help us all.

Power_Advisor27 · #80 (**permalink**) 05-21-2007, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by LightHammer

....For what it is worth, I propose that those interested should put their heads together in a think-tank to come up with something to stem the satanic slide into hell that the large corporations, governments and money-mongers are creating for us.

I await the input of those who care...and to show you that I am NOT a pessimist, I will say that I believe INDEED, nothing is impossible, unless of course, no-one does anything.
Yikes! - that just gave me a shiver! - the WORST scenario is that NOTHING continues to happen.... imagine where we will be in 5 years time ....
God help us all.

LightHammer,

I do care, very much so. I'm on the verge of getting married, and one of our main goals is to raise a successful family in which our children don't have to go through the same (or even similar) struggles we've had to endure. Do you know how scared I am of what this world will be like once we bring our children into it? I'm so glad that I work from home now, because with the Government taking funding from the already lacking educational system here to put billions into stupid wars, I'm seriously considering home-schooling all of our kids.

My sister is one of those that I'm excited about helping, as she's doing something GREAT for her community! She's in the process of starting a non-profit organization to provide proper educational supplement (both academic and artistic) to underprivileged youth. We are originally from Georgia, one of the worst states in the US where education is concerned. We attended the #1 high school in the state, which provided us with an exceptional education and allowed us to explore our artistic passions as well. But unfortunately, I fear for every child who doesn't have the opportunity to attend a school like this (because of location and "zoning" etc.). I'm so glad, again, that I'm earning the income I am from home, because I'm able to help her get her non-profit off the ground by providing some of the funding she needs here and there. We also plan to implement a program for young students (this will be later on down the line) about learning to become business savvy, learning what it takes to start a business, learning some good ideas for starting up a business, etc. Some schools already have similar programs (ours had a student organization called FBLA: Future Business Leaders of America). This can start the younger generations down the path and mindset of entrepreneurship, instead of forcing them to feed into the rate race of a workforce that exists now.

The city where I live now is an ok place, but the youth here are so terribly misguided that few care to give them any attention anymore, especially in the impoverished areas of town. The city has a lot of history and beauty, but unfortunately has let all of its old,historical building fall into disrepair, which encourages youth to vandalize. There is now an effort by the city council (I think along with Duke University) to refurbish a lot of the downtown area in order to draw back business that left long ago. And I'm happy to say that an organization has purchased a lot of the abandoned industrial/mill territory downtown, bulldozed everything, and in its place created a community garden which has neat programs for the youth in the area. Youth can come to this place, which is like a little oasis in the middle of all the rubbish downtown, and learn the importance of taking care of the Earth and the environment they live in. They can start their own gardens (which is helping to boost self-esteem and give them something to cultivate a more responsible attitude), and even raise fruits and vegetable to sell at the weekly farmers' market. Again, I'm glad that I work from home, as I have the time to volunteer for these programs, and help mentor some of the youth here. I know it's a small thing, but if I worked, I simply wouldn't have time time or energy to care much.

Ultimately, I want to work to help adults now, and the generations coming up, learn to unleash their own creativity. So many factors in this society stifle what could be our greatest asset if we gave it half a chance. That is my way of "stemming the satanic slide into hell." By showing others around me that we don't have to be victims of "Big Business" or even the government. There are always loop holes (and I'm not referring to anything illegal). There are ways to survive, and have a GOOD life, without working ourselves into early graves. If more of us were to ban together and take this stance, I think it would show some of these big shot corporations that what they're doing to their employees is wrong, and that with employees to do the grunt work, there wouldn't BE a corporation at all!

-PA27

Juergen · #81 (**permalink**) 05-22-2007, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ddubbs

Let's get somethings straight. EDC Gold takes work and marketing just like every business online or off. No one in EDC has ever pitched this as it does not take marketing effort.
Here's the problem. If someone says they are failing or writes me an emil saying they are struggling the first thing I ask them to do is send me a detailed breakdown of what they do daily.
You know what I see 10 out of 10 times? People are not working. They posted a few free ads and a few paid ones and expect an avalanche of cash to hit them in a week. What? That's ridiculous.
Then because they are doing a lot of free ads that aren't getting seen they are comparing effort thay are making to place them with results.
I here all the time I did a blaster to 50,000 people. But I didn't make a sale.
People automatically feel that those 50,000 people went and opened thier ad and they should of got some sales. They might of had 10 people open it not 50,000. People are thinking they are doing a lot when they are doing little.
They also don't really market and advertise and then give up way to soon.
I still have people that join me that we're on my site 4 months ago.
So quitting within a few weeks and saying edc doesn't work is ridiculous.
You have to market and you have to be consistent about it daily.
I advertise just as hard today as I did on my first day.
I've never been in a program that converts like edc gold. I've created almost every top earner in the company and get thank you emails daily from people that are earning great money thanks to edc. We have tons of training every week and encourage people to get trained.
Would you want to go into an operation and have the surgeon tell you this is my first operation if I like it I'll go back to school and get trained. Sounds scarey. But in the world of biz opp we have people jump in nevber want to be trained in marketing and then claim that the busines is a scam. Why don't you go ask all the people in any home business they claimed was a scam and ask them for marketing advice. Would you listen to them? No.
Because they jump in and don't want the advice or do the training.
Every person who told me they we're failing was implementing less than 10% of what I reccommended and wondered where the results were. Please.
If people are failing they are choosing to do so. If you truly treat this like a business and work it like one it works. There is no secret why I make the income I do with edc I work extremely hard. I market every single day. I follow up with people every single day.
People always like to blame an opportunity for their lack of work. I get tons of emails daily with marketing breakdowns that stink. If you market EDC it works period.
David Dubbs
#1 Earner in EDC Gold

Yeah, whatever you say fatboy!

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Originally Posted by EDCMentor

Thank you for welcoming me to this forum. First, I would like to say that I am a professional woman with a doctoral degree. I am considered by many to be an expert in marketing online. I hope that my opinion is not suppressed as I would like to say that I joined EDC Gold because it is clearly the best home business opportunity of its kind available and it is the first program of its kind where I see that the vast majority of people are succeeding.

It is true that there are many scams out here on the Internet to be avoided, but EDC Gold is not one of them or I would never be involved with it. My goal is and has always been to help as many people reach their potential in life as possible.

When 90% of all home based and small corporate businesses are failing on the Internet one has to examine the dynamics that create this fact. Without massive marketing efforts to get people to your website to purchase what you have to offer any online business is doomed to failure. EDC Gold separates itself from the rest by providing the most outstanding marketing training, compensation plan and products available on the Internet. Whether free ads, small cost ads or paying for leads, we do it on a grande scale and teach others to do the same exactly the same way. This is the basis of financial success on the Internet. The average person starting a home business, if not thoroughly trained in marketing, will fail. That is one aspect that separates EDC Gold from all the rest. We teach massive marketing. Just like any brick and mortar business you have to have interest in your site of business and without people no business on or offline can survive.

Just because a product is a virtual information product does not detract from its value. Products that teach people how to create audios, videos, audio streaming, podcasting, blogging, article submission are valuable tools to have in any Internet marketers arsenal in order to survive online. Why wouldn't they be? Everyone knows that the current and future trends of Internet marketing success are in creating audios and videos...just look at YouTube. Soon Google will be filled with video ads, so this type of software offering is right on target. EDC Gold offers distributors over $125,00.00 worth of software that is useable and valuable...not only that but complete resale rights are given to these products. This is by no means garbage. Many distributors bundle the software and resell it.

EDC Gold requires work like any other business...but you can succeed if you have 2 hours a day or more to dedicate to your business. Focus, patience and consistency are the main traits needed to succeed in any online business. One must proceed with a positive mindset in any worthwile endeavor. I am a mover and a shaker who makes things happen for myself and my associates and I proceed with determination and motivation so that my family and their families will have a better life. I do not have time to wallow in self pity if I get minor setbacks. I am too busy taking action on everyone's behalf. I have been a success coach for 35 years. Before I entered the financial arena it was my job to rehabilitate the most severely injured individuals on this planet who could barely function or enjoy life...to restore them to their proper stance in life through my talents when all else had failed for them. My work with EDC Gold is no different!

Extremely reputable companies are partnering with EDC Gold and in the near future ( within a month). Because of our marketing expertise we will be working with corporate businesses to teach them how to market using tools and training that can only be described as "space age" and totally innovative.

It is mandatory to study and question any potential home business program in great detail before deciding to start that business. I have examined EDC Gold to the nth detail with a fine tooth comb and have found nothing to fault here.

I appreciate Brian's concern for the public in these matters, but must aver that EDC Gold is one of the finest forthcoming companies which I have ever had the privilege to be associated with and the purpose of this business is to bring success...at long last...to those who have been struggling online to give themselves a better life. My biggest joy is seeing another person succeed and there is no way I could be involved in an enterprise that would do the opposite for one moment.

Thank you for listening to my opinion and allowing me to share my experiences with you.

Rachel Rounsifer

Rachel Rounsifer,

I'll tell you what with your PhD and all. Why don't you sign me up with EDC Gold, and when I supposedly make my guaranteed money from EDC Gold then I'll pay you the $997. Deal or no deal?

EDIT: A helpful link:

INFOMERCIAL SCAMS.COM

All MLMs are scams. If you have a downline and such and such gets percentage from such and such then it's a scam. Same thing with pyramid schemes and ponzi schemes. Look those up on google. Don't be a leach!

LightHammer · #82 (**permalink**) 05-22-2007, 07:47 AM

QUOTE "I miss the mom & pop stores of old where people actually cared about their employees and their customers. And I miss the times when you could travel to various cities in this country and find a wealth of heritage, history and culture. Places where there was always something new and different to see."

Well said indeed. I miss those days too!

LightHammer · #83 (**permalink**) 05-22-2007, 08:01 AM

Jeurgen, that was a ripper proposal you put forward! I expect that all we will hear now is the quiet chirping of crickets in the midst of the silence... but good try nonetheless! (...."Fat boy"....*cute* :-)
Thankyou for your comments PowerAdvisor. I am right there with you.
How about we start a site where all like-mided souls can gather - I know Judge Judy would join us in a flash after reading her book!... who knows how many other concerned people there are in this world ? - I think probably more than we can imagine.

Perhaps if enough of us get together and ORGANISE ourselves instead of being separate voices in the wilderness, we might be able to do something for the children before it is too late. I have never had children because I couldn't let myself bring one into the world the way it is - besides, there are too many children already here without parents...
"We do not inherit the world from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children"
What REALLY concerns me is not our children or theirs, but the ones in the distant future. What will be left of decency and the "old ways" by then ?
I would like to secure something for them in the here and now...

Anyway, great to hear we are "on the same page"

Cheers,
Michael

Power_Advisor27 · #84 (**permalink**) 05-22-2007, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Juergen

Yeah, whatever you say fatboy!

Rachel Rounsifer,

I'll tell you what with your PhD and all. Why don't you sign me up with EDC Gold, and when I supposedly make my guaranteed money from EDC Gold then I'll pay you the $997. Deal or no deal?

EDIT: A helpful link:

INFOMERCIAL SCAMS.COM

All MLMs are scams. If you have a downline and such and such gets percentage from such and such then it's a scam. Same thing with pyramid schemes and ponzi schemes. Look those up on google. Don't be a leach!

If you can't come up with any better retorts than that (you can call him "fat boy" all you want, but he's rich and you're not), then feel free to excuse yourself from the conversation.....we're having intelligent, mature discussion here.

And while we're on the subject of scams and pyramids again (I thought we'd been through this...), I want you to take a good look at the job you have. Are you the CEO or owner? Are you a manager? Or are you a regular employee? All jobs in this country, unless someone is working for themselves (and even then, if you have employees working for you, you're created this also), are set up as pyramids. The regular employees make up the largest portion at the bottom, supporting everything and everyone else in a higher position than themselves. The managers are just a bit higher, maybe a few levels up. But really, all of those people at the base are doing most of the work, and only earning a very small percentage of what the company makes as a whole. Only those near and at the top really benefit (presidents, vp's, ceo's, and all those cats). This entire country was founded on "the pyramid" with the regular citizens making up the lower levels (and even that's divided in to social classes) and the politicians, government and president at the top (and we're all apparently supporting them....).

So for you or anyone else to say anything to do with pyramids speaks of a scam or something illegal, think again. Something running on the pyramid business model (which nearly all businesses nationwide do) is not necessarily a scam. Only if money is being paid with no goods or services exchanged, would you have an argument (which isn't the case with EDC, as I've also explained countless times in this thread).Unless the company you work for pays you and every other employee an equal share of what the company makes per month (which I highly doubt), then you're trapped in one of the worst pyramids of all! Know why? Simple; there's a slim chance you'll ever make it to the top unless you know someone who can get you in (not a personal cut), because those that are already there plan on staying there and challenging anyone else that comes along. It's what the higher-ups refer to as salary caps. They never plan for certain people to make above a certain income while working for them. They can actually dictate what you're allowed to earn, no matter how hard you work for them, and no matter how good of a job you do. This is, most unfortunately, just way "big business" works.

Oh, and as Michael said earlier, "nice try." I'm involved in another thread on another forum that talks about sponsorship and paying someone's way in. It's not the point of a business to pay your way in or give you freebies (Do Target associates just hand you free merchandise when you walk into the store? I think not!). If you were serious about your own life, you wouldn't even think that way. Millionaires like Trump, Kiyosaki, the Waltons and Bill Gates didn't get to where they are off of "hand-outs." They actually worked for it, they invested intelligently, and they put their money to work for them. And besides, it seems to be pretty much understood that when someone's way is paid in, they tend to be the laziest of all (this even happens in the working world when folks get jobs because they knew the boss, they're the laziest of all the workers). At least if I'm going to pay someone's way in, let me get my money's worth by seeing that they're working hard and succeeding (and the lazy ones never do). So yeah, nice try. But just because no one's willing to give you and all the other lazy folks a hand-out doesn't make this or any other opportunity a scam.

-PA27

Power_Advisor27 · #85 (**permalink**) 05-22-2007, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by LightHammer

Thankyou for your comments PowerAdvisor. I am right there with you.
How about we start a site where all like-mided souls can gather - I know Judge Judy would join us in a flash after reading her book!....
Michael

Hey Michael,

I have a great idea. I was going to start up a forum on my website, basically as a place to talk business, and for EDC members to exchange ideas and get marketing advice from other members. BUT.....I can do that any old time.

What I could do is start the forum for this cause instead! Like-minded individuals who care about our youth and who want to see a change for the better can gather and speak our minds, share interests and information, and non-profits can also come and gather, share their goals and gain support for their various causes, whether it be education, environmental awareness or otherwise. I just made some "choice" contacts through Myspace (I now have access to those who are working with Al Gore, Barack Obama, John Edwards and others...). I've actually met John Edwards, as he speaks often in Chapel Hill and lives not far from here. Perhaps if enough of us got together like you said, and created one big voice instead of many smaller voices, we could get these major organizations and politicians to really hear us out! I think I'll work on setting up the forum today, and I'll let you know when it's done. You can invite others who feel as we do, and I'll go through Myspace and rustle up the non-profits and those politicians that I care to support in the US. It's won't be such a long-shot if enough of us get together!

-PA27

Power_Advisor27 · #86 (**permalink**) 05-23-2007, 02:21 PM

I found something interesting today as I was doing some work on my business. I noticed a familiar-looking post on Craigslist, and decided to make a comparison. I new when I read just the small clip of info that the Google search results provided, that I'd seen that same post somewhere else....

Well, the interesting thing is, that the post on Craigslist, which was made yesterday morning, is exactly the same as Brian's first post to this thread (the very negative one stating that EDC reads as just another scam to him). Hmmm.....wonder what that's all about?

I have answered Brian's challenge and sent him ample info so that he can learn more about EDC. I have only received 1 response from him, stating that he's really busy and will look at the info when he has the chance. That was quite a few days ago. I haven't heard anything from him since, or seen him around on this thread. Now all of a sudden, I see the exact same post he made here on Craigslist?

So now, I must ask a question to Brian. I thought that the goal was to learn more about EDC and then "pass judgment," so to speak. But it seems that you're avoiding me now. Is there a reason you haven't answered my messages or posted here in days? And are you going out to other places online and stirring up the same trouble for EDC? Or perhaps someone found this thread, and decided to copy and paste your post somewhere else......

I have still been here, offering to answer questions and responding to those who address me. But still, I've heard no response from you. If you are still up to the challenge that you set for me, I am still here. And I have even more info and proof to share than the last time we spoke. If you still want to learn about EDC, I'm more than happy to give you the scoop.

-PA27

brian · #87 (**permalink**) 05-24-2007, 04:19 AM

Sorry about Juergen's post - don't know how that got past the anti-spam filter, as if it had been caught I probably wouldn't have approved it.

PA27, no, I'm not avoiding you - just extremely busy - most nights I'm working till 10pm plus weekends as well. I figure my business is at a critical point where it needs to restructure to become a key part in the future internet. I can see a lot of changes coming and need to make preparations now, hence consolidation and investment.

The Finance Forums is more a hobby at present, and while I still intend to take you up on the offer on finding out more on EDC Gold directly, I simply can't prioritise it at the moment - that's also why I'm keeping quiet and simply following the discussion as well, rather than throw in 2 cents worth.

Hope that helps.

Power_Advisor27 · #88 (**permalink**) 05-24-2007, 11:02 AM

Thanks Brian, good to hear from you (was hoping I didn't scare you off, lol). And no worries about Juergen, whatever was said by the rest of us seems to have shut him right on up.

Business is always a priority, so do what you need to do. Just don't forget about us (he, he, he...).

-PA27

raydagr8 · #89 (**permalink**) 05-24-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by brian

Sorry about Juergen's post - don't know how that got past the anti-spam filter, as if it had been caught I probably wouldn't have approved it.

Any way to remove the slur now, instead of just letting it linger there muddying up the floor of this forum

My 2 cents!

Power_Advisor27 · #90 (**permalink**) 05-24-2007, 02:13 PM

I agree, but I think it's also important for those doing research to see what the naysayers say, and how EDC members respond to them.

Oh by the way, did you get the PM I sent you Ray?

-PA27

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