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Old 06-25-2007, 10:43 PM
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I definitely think your not wealthy unless you can live without 'working' per say. Wether through different realestate or other investments or absent t businesses I don't care how much you make if your punching a clock you can be well off but not wealthy enough. I'd rather make 150,000 and collect from investments than make 500k and be a slave to a time clock. Thats just me.

Anyone ever read Rich Dad Poor Dad? Changed my whole way of looking at things like this.

Read several of his books (I have to read just about anything my clients do). There are good concepts there, but don't take his stories to heart. He's been widely criticized for having his writings/stories conflict with each other. And his new book with Trump is useless, by the way.

Any book that helps you improve your financial situation, even in minor ways, is worth reading. Just be careful! Just because it is in print (i.e. newspapers, magazines, books) doesn't mean you should take it as gold. This is coming from someone who is an aspiring writer!
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Old 07-03-2007, 08:30 AM
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I needed 5 million in cash to live my life how I choose without working and just managing my wealth. But then I got married and had a kid - now I figure 7 million.

1 billion is a better top end number
Now there's a man with a plan! And how many months will it take you
to reach this goal?
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Old 07-03-2007, 08:46 AM
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Wealth is more than investments. Wealth is freedom. Freedom to do what you want, have your needs taken care of, have your family protected. Wealth is family, love, honor, integrity, and trust. You can be very, very wealthy without having any money in the bank.
Well said, Chris. I know an elderly couple who never took the time to enjoy what they built with real estate wealth (much of it). Now they're in their higher 70s, extremely "wealthy" in the traditional sense, but much of their wealth is tied up in apartment buildings and malls all over the country and they can't get to their money. I want to *enjoy* what I spent a lifetime building when I'm that age!

All that only to agree that yes, true wealth is MUCH more than investments.
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Old 07-04-2007, 09:58 AM
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Hi, this post is very informative; however I would like some specific information. If someone can help me then please send me a private message. Best Regards,
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Old 07-04-2007, 10:53 AM
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shahzadmasih, please post it on the boards, lots of people can help you, but we need you to post, that way more opinions (and thus possible solutions) can be found.
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Old 07-11-2007, 01:36 AM
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Great thread. I will (should) consider myself wealthy enough when I have enough saved up not to worry about how my son will be provided for in case I die AND enough to be able to give to charity without secretly worrying about how much it will dent my budget. I want to have enough not to be too strict about budgeting. I don't have figure s yet though, which is why this thread is great because I realize that I should make it more concrete. If I do reach that goal and start wanting for more then I hope somebody bops me (but not too hard) on the head to stop me from getting greedy. I want to be able to enjoy what money can buy but still be focused on the more important things in life. If I get to that point I will welcome more money and other assets but I want to be the kind of person who will welcome but not focus on acquiring more. Will use all the complex calculating above to help me figure this out.
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Old 09-03-2007, 11:44 AM
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I think you're wealthy enough when you don't worry about buying semi-important things (I don't mean the basics, but not really extravagant either). The point changes from person to person, but it's pretty low (depends on if you have a family, etc as well), it's just a matter of realizing it.
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Old 09-15-2007, 05:21 PM
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Wealth is sort of an objective thing. I think you are officially wealthy when your passive income and cash flow exceeds your expenses. It is when you have $3,000 a month in rental income from your real estate properties, but your cost of living is only $2,000 a month. Or the million dollars that you acquired through years of smart investing is now generating $100,000 a year from a 10% return-on-investment asset, but your cost of living is only $60,000 a year. That is when you are wealthy and financially free.
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Old 09-15-2007, 06:26 PM
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In other words, when your income exceeds your outgo. Good point. You also point out it needs to be passive so that when you retire, you still have enough.
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Old 09-18-2007, 07:57 AM
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Here is my opinion about the topic and when I consider someone to be wealthy:

1. Figure out how much your current lifestyle (if you enjoy it) costs you annually. For this example lets use $100K.

2. Your age. Let's say that you are 35.

3. Expect to live until you're 100 which means that you have 65 years left. I know 100 a big number but you want to be safe rather then sorry.

4. So, 65 years times 100K equals 6.5M. In other words if you have 6.5M right now and you plan to live your current lifestyle you would be considered wealthy as you could stop working right now and won't have to decrease your lifestyle + you'll earn interest on the 6.5M. If you only put it into a Money Market or Savings account with 5% interest you would have your monthly financial 'needs' more then covered as required by your current lifestyle (100K divided by 12 months equals $8,333). So your capital will continue to increase and you'll keep your lifestyle constant. Do feel the need to 'upgrade' your lifestyle that shouldn't be the problem at all and if you use less then the monthly interest payments that you get you'll continue to be wealthy with an upgraded lifestyle.

That's my definition of being wealthy.

Here is another way to look at it (this is an example of someone who has several millions but whom I would not consider wealthy):

1. An individual who has 100M and is 35 years old.

2. His lifestyle costs him 5M a year.

3. If he would stop working he would run out of money when he turns 55 (excluding interest earned on his capital but if we add that he may run out of money when he turns 60 or 65).

4. In order to consider that person wealthy the total assets would need to be 325M (5M * 65Y).

In the end it depends on your defintion of wealth and opinions differ on that topic.
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Old 09-21-2007, 03:08 PM
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This is an excellent question, and I think the other comments make a lot of good observations. I think it's sad that most American families today have a lot of debt -- basically in order to start a regular career, life, etc in this country you need to take on debt (education, etc). I'd consider myself financially secure if I could eradicate this and pay for essential things. Problem is, the financial landscape is always changing with inflation, etc. So the only thing one can do is continue working hard and hope they break even with the status quo every few years.
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Old 09-22-2007, 05:53 PM
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Jiddim,

you're caught in the rat race and I hate to tell you that if you 'just' work hard or harder you'll never be fiancially secure.

Your statement that 'the only thing one can do is continue working hard and hope they break even with the status quo every few years' is a great example of the problems which you, and the majority of the country, have and very likley continue to have unless you change your attitude toward your financial situation.

My suggestion is that you take a close look at your financial situation and evaluate what needs to be changed. Do some research you should find plenty of good advice on-line.

I strongly recommend that you 'invest' your way out of the problems. Set-up a budget plan and (you may need some help with that) choose an investment strategy which will fit your needs. It will take time and discipline but it will get you out of the 'rat-race'.
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Old 09-25-2007, 11:32 PM
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Old 09-26-2007, 05:40 AM
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I don't think anyone will ever feel they have enough wealth because there will always be a higher financial goal to discover.

However, I think you do have enough wealth when you are able to meet all your debt and outgoings and stay in credit, while also enjoying a reasonable level of living that involves the opportunity to spend time with friends and family and other recreational pursuits.

When you are at that level, I figure you have what you need.

Of course, if you have additional disposable income on top then various investment vehicles to secure and grow your wealth become an option.

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Old 09-26-2007, 08:06 AM
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There may be always another financial goal to discover but I think once you reach a certain degree of financial wealth you won't feel the impact on you life-style.

Goals (not just financial) should always be present.

I think there are many individuals which are wealthy (this includes many aspects and not just financial wealth) and to define wealth is really up to the individual.

Wealth is associated with money but to be wealthy, in my opinion, has to do with more aspects of life but I don't think you can be wealthy without any form of financial wealth and/or financial independence.
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